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		<title>By: runoknows</title>
		<link>https://scofflawsden.com/blog/2008/04/01/a-question-and-hopefully-a-discussion/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>runoknows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s how I preserve my various beverages (like simple syrup) is with a bit o&#039; vodka.

I could&#039;ve sworn there were &quot;fake&quot; egg whites but it looks like I&#039;m on crack. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s how I preserve my various beverages (like simple syrup) is with a bit o&#8217; vodka.</p>
<p>I could&#8217;ve sworn there were &#8220;fake&#8221; egg whites but it looks like I&#8217;m on crack. <img src='https://scofflawsden.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tmfiii</title>
		<link>https://scofflawsden.com/blog/2008/04/01/a-question-and-hopefully-a-discussion/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>tmfiii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 98% certain it wasn&#039;t just one bartenders flourish to the drink.  First, all of those that we ordered tasted the same and had the same white foam and mouth-feel.  Second, I don&#039;t think adding egg white is a &quot;flourish.&quot;  A mint sprig, a cherry, or lavender leaves on the foam (as was the second one I ordered) are flourishes, not a whole extra ingredient.

As for the tiki drinks this weekend, I think that was a product of the bartender not knowing how to make the drinks.  I saw her reading the drink menu many times after someone placed an order in order to know what went in that particular drink. 

By fake eggs are you referring to pasteurized dried egg whites?  Those are still eggs just in . . . well . . . dried form.  :-)  Still wouldn&#039;t help people who don&#039;t eat tasty animals and I would doubt it would help for those with allergies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 98% certain it wasn&#8217;t just one bartenders flourish to the drink.  First, all of those that we ordered tasted the same and had the same white foam and mouth-feel.  Second, I don&#8217;t think adding egg white is a &#8220;flourish.&#8221;  A mint sprig, a cherry, or lavender leaves on the foam (as was the second one I ordered) are flourishes, not a whole extra ingredient.</p>
<p>As for the tiki drinks this weekend, I think that was a product of the bartender not knowing how to make the drinks.  I saw her reading the drink menu many times after someone placed an order in order to know what went in that particular drink. </p>
<p>By fake eggs are you referring to pasteurized dried egg whites?  Those are still eggs just in . . . well . . . dried form.  <img src='https://scofflawsden.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Still wouldn&#8217;t help people who don&#8217;t eat tasty animals and I would doubt it would help for those with allergies.</p>
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		<title>By: frederic</title>
		<link>https://scofflawsden.com/blog/2008/04/01/a-question-and-hopefully-a-discussion/#comment-109</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure what you mean by fake egg whites.  There&#039;s powdered egg whites but that wouldn&#039;t help vegans (who most restaurant/bar people don&#039;t often consider).  Other substitutes are more effort.

No clue.  I do know that I stabilized my home-made grenadine with an ounce or so of vodka (per 10-12 oz final volume?) which keeps the bacteria away.  

A google search brought me to a NYTimes Article and an eGullet post which did state that some places use lecithin for some drinks which would be vegan-friendly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure what you mean by fake egg whites.  There&#8217;s powdered egg whites but that wouldn&#8217;t help vegans (who most restaurant/bar people don&#8217;t often consider).  Other substitutes are more effort.</p>
<p>No clue.  I do know that I stabilized my home-made grenadine with an ounce or so of vodka (per 10-12 oz final volume?) which keeps the bacteria away.  </p>
<p>A google search brought me to a NYTimes Article and an eGullet post which did state that some places use lecithin for some drinks which would be vegan-friendly.</p>
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		<title>By: runoknows</title>
		<link>https://scofflawsden.com/blog/2008/04/01/a-question-and-hopefully-a-discussion/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>runoknows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if it was fake egg whites?  I&#039;ve heard of bars using them to a) not worry so much about bacteria and b) to help out vegetarians/vegans.

Would it be so necessary then?

It could&#039;ve also been that (now that I think of it) that was one bartender&#039;s flourish on the drink, or that it was just left off.  I think of the tiki drink I had this weekend that listed its ingredients, but we definitely saw at least one extra ingredient going in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if it was fake egg whites?  I&#8217;ve heard of bars using them to a) not worry so much about bacteria and b) to help out vegetarians/vegans.</p>
<p>Would it be so necessary then?</p>
<p>It could&#8217;ve also been that (now that I think of it) that was one bartender&#8217;s flourish on the drink, or that it was just left off.  I think of the tiki drink I had this weekend that listed its ingredients, but we definitely saw at least one extra ingredient going in&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tmfiii</title>
		<link>https://scofflawsden.com/blog/2008/04/01/a-question-and-hopefully-a-discussion/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>tmfiii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Frederic, thanks for the post.  Sorry for not making this clear (I edited the post to clear it up . . . I hope!) but the drink I wound up with was not the Sazerac, rather one of their house cocktails.  Lord knows if I ordered a Sazerac and it came shaken and with a foam on top I would very politely send it back.  

You make a great point about vegetarians.  The same would also be true for people who have food allergies.  I would think that at a minimum drinks containing egg (or other possible allergens) would be demarcated as you point out.

Very interesting about the bar that hides ingredients.  I&#039;ve certainly never heard of that before!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Frederic, thanks for the post.  Sorry for not making this clear (I edited the post to clear it up . . . I hope!) but the drink I wound up with was not the Sazerac, rather one of their house cocktails.  Lord knows if I ordered a Sazerac and it came shaken and with a foam on top I would very politely send it back.  </p>
<p>You make a great point about vegetarians.  The same would also be true for people who have food allergies.  I would think that at a minimum drinks containing egg (or other possible allergens) would be demarcated as you point out.</p>
<p>Very interesting about the bar that hides ingredients.  I&#8217;ve certainly never heard of that before!</p>
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		<title>By: frederic</title>
		<link>https://scofflawsden.com/blog/2008/04/01/a-question-and-hopefully-a-discussion/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>frederic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 15:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve had foams made out of gelatin (it was from a cartridge-powered whip cream dispensor).

One possibility is that instead of sugar/simple syrup in the Sazerac, they used a modified gomme syrup.  While researching how to make gomme syrup out of gum arabic, it turns out that other &quot;full mouth feel&quot; ingredients can be substituted for the harder-to-find gum arabic including maltodextrose and egg white (and other bartenders just use simple syrup and call it gomme because they assume that people can&#039;t tell the difference if it&#039;s not side-by-side).  If they made it with egg white-sugar syrup, it would definitely foam upon being shaken (not that a Sazerac should be shaken).  They might be doing that to smooth out the taste of the drink (ie: the harshness of rye and the complexity of the Peychaud&#039;s) to make the drink more middle of the road.

As for ethical, I was a little annoyed when my cocktail was made with gelatin (I&#039;m a vegetarian so egg is ok, but boiled animal skil not so much).  One place around here has every cocktail with eggs demarcated with an underline under the drink name.  Others you have to ask (one bar hides ingredients including gin since they&#039;re afraid of the public&#039;s (mis)perceptions about certain ingredients).  I often ask what&#039;s in certain drinks before ordering them to gage whether it falls outside of what I&#039;m in the mood for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve had foams made out of gelatin (it was from a cartridge-powered whip cream dispensor).</p>
<p>One possibility is that instead of sugar/simple syrup in the Sazerac, they used a modified gomme syrup.  While researching how to make gomme syrup out of gum arabic, it turns out that other &#8220;full mouth feel&#8221; ingredients can be substituted for the harder-to-find gum arabic including maltodextrose and egg white (and other bartenders just use simple syrup and call it gomme because they assume that people can&#8217;t tell the difference if it&#8217;s not side-by-side).  If they made it with egg white-sugar syrup, it would definitely foam upon being shaken (not that a Sazerac should be shaken).  They might be doing that to smooth out the taste of the drink (ie: the harshness of rye and the complexity of the Peychaud&#8217;s) to make the drink more middle of the road.</p>
<p>As for ethical, I was a little annoyed when my cocktail was made with gelatin (I&#8217;m a vegetarian so egg is ok, but boiled animal skil not so much).  One place around here has every cocktail with eggs demarcated with an underline under the drink name.  Others you have to ask (one bar hides ingredients including gin since they&#8217;re afraid of the public&#8217;s (mis)perceptions about certain ingredients).  I often ask what&#8217;s in certain drinks before ordering them to gage whether it falls outside of what I&#8217;m in the mood for.</p>
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